The United States Marine Corps, with it fiercely proud tradition of excellence in combat, its hallowed rituals, and its unbending code of honor, is part of the fabric of American myth. Thomas E. Ricks; Making the Corps, 1997
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PAINT THE HEAD GREEN
While going through Boot Camp at S.D. in November 1950, everyone knew we were headed for Korea. What a relief to get to the Rifle Range at Camp Mathews at last, even if we had to live in tents due to the influx of recruits. Camp Mathews was on the East side of old highway U.S. 101 near Leucadia, CA. The first weekend there, the Junior D.I. had us all fall in on Sunday morning and selected 10 "boots" for a working party. Another NCO no one had ever seen before was standing by to take us to our work detail, whatever that was going to be. On his command, we were marched off to the "Easy Range". At the range maintenance building, we were each issued a bucket of beautiful glossy Marine Green paint and a four inch brush, and told simply, "paint the head", and the young Corporal left.
We painted the outside of the Head. He did not return. We painted the inside of the head. He did not return. We painted the urinals, the commodes, (including all the seats and porcelain, valves, and handles) the sinks and faucets, the deck, the screens and the windows. Everything was totally "Marine Corps Green".
He did not return. We put the Paint cans beside the locker, jammed all the brushes in the solvent bucket and marched ourselves back to the platoon area.
About four hours later the DI had us fall in. The Range NCO was there who looked each one of us square in the eye and asked if we were on the working party to paint the Head, and we each individually answered "Sir, No Sir!"
I think the Range NCO came back two or three more times looking for green paint traces. Once to look at our boondockers, once to check fingernails. Neither he nor our Jr. DI ever found out who "painted the head green".
p.s. A note to now Retired Sergeant Major M.A. Delgado, still living in Oceanside CA; The truth is out. Yessir, I was one of them!
Dear Sgt. Grit, I was a recruiter in Monroe, Louisiana. All the branches of service was located in the same strip shopping center. I couldn't help notice how ALL the other branches seemed to hang there "so called special forces posters" in there windows to entice applicants into their offices. I was walking down past the Airforce recruiting office one day. Their recruiter, who just went by the name of "DJ" was outside talking to a prospect. I couldn't help but over hear him talking about their special forces called "PJ's" as he was showing the young man the poster of them in his window. Being the cocky Marine recruiter that I was, I stopped to ask him what they were talking about. He then proceeded to explain to me and the young man, that they were the special forces that went behind enemy lines to rescue downed pilots. I tried to look impressed. I then asked him, "They must have been the special forces that went behind enemy lines, in order to rescue Capt. Scott O'Grady when he got shot down in Bosnia?" He than got a look of fear on his face. I then proceeded to say and remind him, "Oh no, that was MARINES that went in and rescued him, wasn't it?" To say the least he got a bit embarrassed in front of his applicant. I just turned and walked away with a smile on my face. GySgt Christopher Andrews (Ret)
Even Though I have not worn the uniform in over 28 years, I am a Marine. Some would say "old Corps" and some would say "a boot", I would like to jump into the fray concerning old and new Marines. I have had the honor of speaking to graduating Marines and I wanted to make a few comments. We were more physically fit. That's a fact. that's not an indictment about the new Marines because they are so much more intelligent than we were.. the old prc 25 is like an antique to the gear that they have now. We Ran...and ran.....and ran. The new corps runs a little but studies much more. We would call in one gun in adjustment and a battery for effect. We would decimate a grid square in a few minutes, the new marine can put a smart bomb in some talibans underwear with the push of a button. What I have noticed however is the essence of the Corps. Old Corps, New Corps, WW2, Viet Nam, Korea, Desert Storm, or whatever.......the essence is the same. An untiring devotion to duty, a love of the Corps, and Honor. I have had "old Timers" notice my tattoo and tell me ....".I was in the Corps too." I have had special treatment when it was noticed that I was a Marine years back. I have noticed new marines at the airport with their high and tight haircut and their polished stance. I have said to them welcome to the corps and gave them my name in introduction. They snap to and say thank you Staff Sergeant. I personally think that whether you are old , new, ancient, or whatever the description, the more difference there is the more we are the same. lets leave it at that SSgt D J Huntsinger 68-74
PHONIES, FRAUDS AND WANNABEES
I will set a section on my links page to list these sites for future reference. Thank you to everyone who sent these links to me. Lock and load, search and destroy! http://www.militaryusa.com
......... For the benefit of Major Cox and the "supposed Marine" professor. I also have met several "Former Marines" with no knowledge of the Corps what so ever, they have all been exposed in public. I simply challenged them to provide proof they ever served, and openly made known my suspicions there and then. They never were able to provide any such proof, boot camp photo, citations, DD214 etc.. they disappeared. You may also request a copy of this individuals DD 214 under the Freedom of Information Act.
Respectfully Grady Rainbow GySgt. USMC (disabled) ................
For Maj. Jerry Cox (and anyone else who wants to expose frauds):
Permit me to lay some groups on you. 1. In addition to the B..S... artist's name, the SSAN (Social Security Account Number) is the most important thing to have. For you, Maj. Cox, that number would be available through your University's employment office or Student Directory. 2. Contact: National Personnel. Records Center, ATTN: Navy Records Section, 9700 Page Blvd, St. Louis, MO. (I forget the ZIP - must be too many C-Rats ingested in my youth) and ask for his DA Form 2 or Navy Page 5 or whatever the Marines use. Trying to get his DD 214 is a bit more difficult and will result in a great deal of foot dragging. 3. If possible, have SF180 accompany your request. (Available from your local federal court house). If not, your reason is FOIA (Freedom of Information Act). 4. With any luck, you will have your response in approximately 6 weeks.
Failing these, go to your local Marine Corps (or other branch), identify yourself and ask for assistance. The brotherhood/sisterhood of military service goes a looooong way.
Michael J. Runkle, ETN2(SS)(SW), USN 73-77 & 85-88, USArmy 78-81 I hate frauds, too. .............
Hi Sgt Grit.. just finished yet another great newsletter...Thanks.
Here is info in the latest issue of Leatherneck magazine, page 74. a website: www.phonyveterans.com/ The article also mentioned a Steve Waterman who exposes phonies...but no email address or website is listed. Possibly the website/email adr could be obtained from Leatherneck. I hope this helps.
Sgt USMC 1953-1956 ...............
Saw your (and the Major's) request on info about Fakes, thought I'd share with you some info on exposing these dirt bags....(I also sent some info to Major Cox).
First, check out this website: http://www.justasailor.com/fakevets.html
You'll be amazed at the number of losers claiming to be vets of various and sundry things.
The easiest way, I've found, to "out" one of these yahoo's is to ask for documentation, just like Major Cox did. The verbal documentation is a good place to start.... Anyone in the last 30 years (at least) who doesn't know what an 0311 is darn sure is a suspect if they are claiming to be a Marine. Basic things will trip these guys up, tho, like Platoon Number in Recruit Training, (sometimes, even where they went to Boot Camp). The names of units they were assigned to, and the places those units are based at, are more good indicators. Anyone telling you they were in some sort of "Top Secret CIA" whatever outfit is full of crap. (If they really were, they wouldn't be telling you, now, would they???). After the verbal comes the "look see", as I call it; if they are wearing ribbons/medals, check to see what they have. No kidding, these guys will mix and match what looks good. Enlisted? Where is the Good Conduct Medal? (If none...ask why.....). The frauds will load themselves down with fake valor awards, but forget the basic "time in service" stuff that everyone earns. We've all heard this, but it's true..."Attention to detail". Finally, Paper (hard copy) documentation. DD-214's. Now, these can be faked at times (I've seen a couple) but they are easy to spot. Typically, our fake Marine will say its either classified, and they can't show it to you, or "it burned up in a fire" or something like that. Usually, either of those things are dead giveaways. Combined with the other hints listed above, you should be able to figure out just how phony your phony is.
Now, all that having been said, I'd like to say that Sea Stories told 'round the clubhouse/watering hole/bar are one thing, but claiming to be something you are not is a horse of a different color. WEARING decorations/badges/awards that you did not earn/do not rate is a federal offense. As an example, Just having a Medal of Honor in your possession (not wearing or displaying it, but owning it) if you did not earn it brings imprisonment and jail time, and a big fat fine (250,000 bucks). The FBI takes that one real serious.
The best defense against these people is Knowledge. Yours. Know where to find info on units, awards, and things like that (Google has the best search engine running at www.google.com ). And, don't be afraid to question these people.
Sorry for being so long winded, but I can't stand hearing about fakes who say they are something they are not. You can edit this as need be. Anyone having more questions can certainly email me at: email@example.com
Dept of Defense Police
Fort Detrick, Md
Sgt, USMC 82-89 97-01 ................
Dear Major Cox; After reading your post in Sgt. Grit's Newsletter, you and I know that this professor and many more like him are FULL OF SH*T.
This self-acclaimed PCP (politically correct professor) can only dream about being a Marine. He never had the guts to go through boot camp and the duty stations that would follow. He probably had no patriotism or love of the U.S. - it's just P.C. right now to like the military. Everyone wants to get on the band wagon even if it's vicariously or by lying.
Not knowing what a *grunt* is or what his MOS was tells you right away he is a fraud.
I would continue baiting him along using Marine Corps lingo and see what his reaction is. Do it publicly, whenever you can. Make him squirm.
Ask him when he was in the *crotch*, what his service number is, where did he go to boot camp, what was his platoon number, did his platoon win any series trophies such as the boot, the pack, the rifle stock. Did he hang out at the base slop chute, did his squad bay have a scuttle butt, etc? Does he like pogie bait, geedunk - just keep deluging him with these type of questions that Marines would know - do it publicly. Find another Marine to help you out. Once you put the word out, they'll be by your side.
I got out in '68, so I don't know how many special operations the Marines had going on, but I don't think any of them are still classified.
Major, you have too much time invested in your course to let this dirt bag give you a failing grade if you push him too much. I would get my grade first and then confront him. Get in his face and make him prove that he was a Marine. If he can't or won't, tell him to knock off his lies. If not, maybe he'd like to take this matter up with a hundred or so Marines from the local Marine Corps League. Boy, would they love to face someone down like this guy. All you have to do is tell them that there is a Professor at your college making false claims about being a Marine. They'll take care of it. Please keep us posted on the outcome with this jerk. Semper Fi! William E. Kent Cpl. #1973169 2nd & 3rd Tank Battalion 1962-1968 ....................
Dear Sgt. Grit, I haven't even finished reading the new letter, but I wanted to pass on some info that I forwarded to Mr. Cox. One is B. G. Birkett's website- www.stolenvalor.com and www.nara.gov, which is the Records Center in St.Louis. Mr. Birkett's website has info on how to request records, ( you have to cite the Freedom of Information Act, for example) and NARA's site has a form to download to request records. Hope this helps! I'm back to my reading now! Marty Fay still Cpl. Preston's proud mom .................
Sgt. Grit, A good place to go to expose all the Vietnam (and other conflict) "wannabees" is
And gentlemen in England, now a-bed, Shall think themselves accursed they were not here; And hold their manhoods cheap, whiles any speaks That fought with us....
The same thing will happen twenty years from now regarding 9/11. My son, who just finished Jump School and will soon be reporting to the 82nd Airborne (the Marines wouldn't guarantee him his insane desire to jump out of airplanes), tells me many of his old high school buddies are already potential "wannabees." It must be tough to be a man who "holds his manhood cheap." Semper Fi Art Couchman Sgt. USMC RVN 69-70 ........................
You might try this, it worked for me at the post office. we had an a**hole at the Po who claimed to be a viet vet and wounded in action. (he didn't look old enough to pee by himself) 1. asked him how many purple hearts he had. (one) then asked him to show the wound andthe certificate. he couldn't produce either one. then told him that the VA would automatically give him 10% for a combat wound and he could have used that for employment. asked him to show his disability form. couldn't produce it. to make a long story short he was a liar and wanna bee and after exposing him he transferred out. as for him knowing Mike Spann, I believe that Spann was in his late thirties and the was ended in 75.which meant that Spann would have been around 8 years old when the war ended. press on Major, show this ass hole up for what he is and probably was. a draft dodging fool who now wants to be considered a real man. He sure picked the wrong service to try to be a part of. Semper Fi Dave Burns ...................
Jerry: I'm a college professor, a former Marine ('67-'71) and retired cop. Having said all that, here's my advice:
First, don't do anything that will screw up your Master's degree. If you expose the SOB now, and the college makes a big deal out of it or the media gets on it, some of his colleagues might feel it necessary to screw with your grades for payback. Also, if you plan on going on for post-graduate schooling, get letters of recommendation from your professors ahead of time.
Second, in the spirit of fairness, send this guy a letter and give him a week to respond. Tell him you believe he's been less than truthful (an academic expression that means "lying") about his military experiences and you feel obligated to give him a chance to prove himself before reporting his misconduct to the "appropriate authorities". Don't confront him in person; he can always lie and deny later on. Besides, having a dated copy of the letter you send him, and his response, if any, is helpful for the next two steps. On the other hand, on the off chance he was telling the truth, he won't be able to cause you any problems, legal, academic, or otherwise. Third, if there's a college newspaper, sic 'em on him. Some of those reporters-in-training would love to get the big "scoop" on a professor. Make sure you prime them with questions/terms to ask this guy about (DD214, what boot camp, 782 gear, Chesty Puller, the Marine Corps Birth date, Tun Tavern) that, if he doesn't remember, he's full of sh**. Show them the letter you sent and his response, if any. They can confront him with that, too.
Fourth, (remember, AFTER you graduate) write a letter to the college president expressing, as a veteran Marine, your anger that the college would have this guy misrepresenting his past to students. Urge the president to check this guy's application. Did he submit a copy of his DD214 as proof for veteran's preference? Is his military service listed on his resume? After all, isn't submitting an employment application with false information on it grounds for dismissal? Put, on the bottom of this letter, the fact that you sent cc's of it to the local chapter of the American Legion, the VFW, and even the local newspaper. (You don't actually have to send the copies, but the cc's might get the president off his/her six and doing something about it a bit quicker).
Good luck! It's infuriating to think that anyone would claim honorable military service without having earned it and damn near criminal to claim the title of Marine without having earned it. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help you nail this bastard! Semper Fi! Tom Mahoney Santa Barbara, CA, City College ............
Hello Sgt. Grit and Others: You may be interested in the Texas Tech Vietnam War history. The University has received federal funds to build and maintain a library of military history during the Vietnam era.
Also, you can see the Air America, Inc. web page at www.air-america.org Lots of info here, and the Air America, Inc., Civil Air Transport (CAT), archives at the University of Texas, Arlington, Texas. Lots of info here also going back to Claire Chennault and the Flying Tigers. Semper Fi, Lou McCasland (formerly 078789) USMCR and Air America, Inc. WesTexan ............... A note about Marine wanna-be's ,
There is only one branch of the service that instills a code of ethics that goes all the way to a man's soul. There is only one fraternity of men that survives even death. There will always be the ones that Talk the Talk but never Walked the Walk. Just take peace in knowing That YOU know where the legends come from ... and let God sort out the Alfa Hotels John D Langille ............... Dear Don (Sgt. Grit): I sent the following response to the message in your recent newsletter from Major Cox. The best approach to these cases is to trust your own sense of what does and does not add up. The failure of this professor (I especially offended by this as I am a Marine, 54-57, and a professor) to know his MOS is powerful. I suggested that Major Cox go to the college/university website and locate this professor. It is common to have resumes posted. I careful read of this history should indicate whether it was likely that he was in Vietnam. He could also innocently ask what unit he was in. With this info I bet you could find out whether or not he served in the indicated unit. Ask him when he was in Vietnam. Was the unit there when he says he was with it? You could get this info from the units website. It should not be too difficult to determine whether or not this guy is a fraud. As you note below, I also urged the Major to be cautious. After all, he may be wrong about this guy. Best wishes. Sgt. USMC 54/57 ............... SGT grit In reference to the major who has the problem with the professor who claims to be a MARINE AND black arts work. I HAVE THIS day advised by Email that the major can file a FOIA request at the following address NRPC APPROPRIATE SERVICE 6700 Page BLVD st Louis MISSOURI (NRPC means national personnel records center). I advised the major to provide as much info as possible SSAN/serial number putative bases assigned and when and any other info he has. I also advised him to contact the national organizations for SOG/special forces/marine recon/SEALS, ETC although I DID not have those addresses. IF THIS GUY HAD BLACK ARTS TRAINING AS HE CLAIMS these organizations will have his name even if he is not a member...after all these groups are very small and everyone knows everyone else or has at least heard of them in some cases I SUSPECT INCLUDING ww2 members. Some OF THE BASES AND DUTY ASSIGNMENTS MAY STILL BE CLASSIFIED BUT BOOT CAMP AND TECH SCHOOLS ARE NOT SO HE CAN AT LEAST GET THOSE. Further if he has a titanium jaw as he claims those records are available thru the VA....I know because I WORKED THERE THEY FOLLOW THIS kind of patient religiously...this is state of the art surgery....again those records can be obtained as FOIA.....BE SURE TO SPECIFY FOIA request at both NRPC and the VA. hope this provides a starting point....I am or was a personnel specialist USAF 1968 to1974 SSGT USAF/USAFR and HM1 FMFPAC USN/USNR 1975 TO 1994 MAHALO DOC HERDINA FMFDOC6@YAHOO.COM
Hi Sgt: Happy Saint Patrick's Day. A little cold out here in Helena, MT. but that's nothing new to this Korean Marine. I contacting you to request any and all info the postage stamp with "Chesty's" face on it. It has been too long now with no action taken. What gives..???they can put Disney folks on stamp at a drop of a hat, but when it comes to a Great American Warrior, they appear to be dragging their damn "Liberal" ----you know. Anyway--pse help this ole grunt. Jim HEFFERNAN 1st Prov. DMZ Co., 1MAVDIV "K" God Bless America Vote! For Chesty's Stamp Major Jacques Loraine, Jr., USMC (Ret), Chester, VA, is working very hard to get a postage stamp in honor of LT Gen. Lewis "Chesty" Puller. He would like you to write a letter to: Citizen's Stamp Advisory Committee US Postal Service Room 4474E 475 L'Enfant Plaza, SW Washington, DC 20260-2437
FIRST A** CHEWING IN PRIVATE
Sgt. Grit Enjoyed reading SSgt. Michael Hackett account of Leadership in M/4/11. I was the Executive Officer of M/4/11 in '63-64 under Captain James Omar Black. And let me tell you he was one hard nose, mean, and combat savvy SOB. He believed you got your first ass-chewing in private. After that you got it where you screwed up. But he taught me a lot about how to take 155's into combat. It later paid off when I commanded L/4/12 and we landed at Chu Lai. The lessons from Capt Black were used just to get off the beach. Re contacting buddies: Sometime late last year I received a phone call from Cpl Fred Simpson, in TX. We had served together as watch standers at the American Embassy, Baghdad, Iraq. Fred had managed to track down a few others and had news of some of those that he couldn't. Sgt Ken Gardner, VA (retired Major), Sgt Pete Sabat, PA (retired CWO, US Army), Cpl Crawley, Canada. We are still trying to find Sgt Bill Beck (retired Major), and Sgt Al Roberts. We now communicate by phone and e-mail, and hope to have a reunion this summer in the N VA area. Finding old friends again is a great feeling. Semper Fi Gary T. McAlpin aka Major Mustang Major USMC-Ret 1955 - 1976
Sgt Grit: I would like to share a funny and true story to my fellow Marines & Corpsmen to enjoy your newsletter as much as I do: In April of 1980 I reported to my first duty station upon completing Supply Admin & Logistics School at Camp Lejeune, NC. I had been assigned to Security Battalion, MCDEC (then) Quantico, Va. I was assigned to the S-4 section, H & S Co., Security Bn. The S-4 Office consisted of Captain Maldonado, the Company CO, Ssgt Wood: my SNCOIC, Sgt O'Donnel, & Corporal Young. I was a fresh faced brand new Private E-1. A very intimidating (rank wise) scenario for a boot. On or about the second day I had been there Captain Maldonado came into my "cubicle" (yes, I was an office pogue; a Remington raider) and said " Private Jones" ; I quickly snapped to attention and said "Yes Sir!" "Relax Jones, " says the Captain. I replied "yes sir" and came to at ease. " Jones, since you are new and Corporal Young has not been here long either, SSGT Wood & thought it might be good idea for the office personnel to gather this Friday evening get acquainted." Naturally, I said replied "Yes Sir." I was quite surprised that I would be drinking a beer with an Officer (a very good one it turned out) So, low & behold the four of us meet at a bar in Woodbridge, Va. right outside of the base. We all had a few beers & I was sure feeling no pain. We decided it time to go and left the establishment heading to our vehicle; it was pretty dark by now. All of a sudden we saw a guy (civilian) running in the parking lot dressed in a store clerk's uniform with a long handle aluminum fishing net slamming it onto the pavement and suddenly screamed "gotcha"!!! Intrigued as to what he had caught (we could not make in out very well in the dark) we starting running towards the guy to see what he caught. Getting about halfway there and much to my amazement, we ascertained he had a HUGE rat pinned in the net against the concrete! Then all of sudden he must have heard us because he looked up and I guess he assumed that 4 half drunk US Marines running out of a bar towards him could be bad news. He dropped the handle of the net and started run in the other direction! Undeterred we ran up on the net and stopped the net (the rat was running and dragging it). I grabbed the handle and starting slamming it against the concrete trying to kill the biggest rat I have ever seen to this day. Well, on about the fourth swing the net broke loose and the rat flew though the air right towards Staff Sergeant Wood: Sure enough, it smacked him right in the face. I was horrified. When I saw him next was Monday morning sure enough, he had a black eye. For months all the MP's & H & S guys would see me around the BN & would point to me and say "That's the guy who hit SSgt Wood with the rat" and laugh their butts off. I thought that the rest of my tour would be a night mare due to retribution of some sort. But, fortunately, SSgt Wood turned out to be a good guy. L/cpl Tim Jones S-4 Security BN, MCDEC Quantico, Va 1980-1983
I have just completed this weeks letter. I was a little elated when I ran across S/Sgt Kevin Howell's letter. He described what he did while ashore in Beirut, Lebanon, on 26 July, 1976. I had heard what some of the other company's assignment was. I was with "M" 3/2. Locked and ready to go ashore with my mule and it's 106mm recoilless rifle. We received approximately 150 of the people evacuated. We were the command ship(USS Coronado LPD-11,) so we received half of the people including the U.S. Ambassador. I remember S/Sgt Howell, but I did not know him well. Forrest L. "Butch" Secord Jr. "M" 3/2 75 - 79
YOU WILL NEVER LEAVE PI
The story about a relative in the Corps made me think of an occasion when I was a Drill Instructor in 1962. One day I was taking my platoon to the third battalion mess hall at Parris Island and one of the Drill Instructor from another company asked how I spelled my last name. I told him and he said "I have one with that name in my platoon". I noticed that his platoon was in forming. I said that I would like to meet him. ( anyone in the world with their last name spell as mine meant we were related). His Drill Instructor said report to the Drill Instructor. Of course, the entire platoon repeated the command. I saw this recruit break ranks and proceed to his Drill Instructor and report as ordered. As young as they were, I was impressed. His Drill Instructor told him to report to me. He executed a facing movement and reported as ordered. I asked him if he was from Kentucky and he said no; but, his farther was from Ashland, KY. I asked him his father's first name and he answered "Oliver". What he didn't know that Oliver was my Father's cousin. I asked him if he ever heard his father talk about a relative from Ashland? He said yes he knew he had relatives in Kentucky. I told him that I was his cousin and the only member in the entire family that has served in the Marine Corps. Up to this time, I have never had to put my first initial on any clothing. Because of him, I now have to add my initials to all my clothing and this was an big inconvenience. I informed him that I was going to request his Drill Instructor keep him on the Island until his enlistment was over so I would not have to add my initials to any of my belongings. As expected, he was upset. The next thing I knew my father called me to inquire on little Oliver's status at Parris Island. He told his father that I said he would never leave Parris Island because I said so. Nevertheless, my father, Oliver and I got a big kick out the story after I explained the circumstances. I never saw him again until his graduation day. My current platoon was on the rifle range and he walked from main side to the rifle range to say good bye. He made it and is today one of the few. Mike Hemlepp Major USMC (Ret)
Hi,My name is Ed. Huer, Coxswain Navy, 1-43--1-46. I'm looking for former ww-11 2nd Div. Marine Raider Battalion and 3rd. marines who came aboard our ship the USS Alhena AKA-9 for the following invasions, Guadalcanal, Bougainville, Saipan, Iwo Jima,Okinawa and Japan. These marines became good buddies and loved being on our ship and we made good friends and treated them as shipmates. We would like to have them join us on some of our reunions. It would be good to see old buddies and meet some new ones, and have some fun with us. Deward J. Heuer 1501 Gainsville Rd. Jonesboro, La 71251 E-Mail Address- firstname.lastname@example.org Phone # 318-259-7140 Thanks Edward Heuer
LEE MARVIN WEB STORY
There is a story floating around the web about Lee Marvin and Bob Keeshan (aka Captain Kangaroo). It is not completely true. See www.snopes.com and search for Marvin for more details. They were both in the Corps and Marvin was wounded. Sgt Grit
I was in the Corps from 1964 -1968. I qualified at Camp Matthews just before it closed down. Yes, as has been stated by other people, it is part of UC San Diego. My series was the next to last group to qualify there. I was with Platoon 256. I was there when the Gulf of Tonkin incident occurred. The DI announced to us that boot camp would probably be accelerated (it did not). I guess this justified his having us go out and run 15 miles that night in full combat gear supposedly getting us ready for combat. Reminds me of that saying, "The more you sweat in peace, the less you bleed in war." Semper Fi Robert Barnhill (Cpl. 2533 1964 -1968)
Just read letter to you from Marine from 2Div., 1950 era, comment about Marines being put into the Army, well, backdate to end of WW2, the then Presidents Wife stated to reporters when asked about service men returning to civilian life, said that the Marines should be taken to a remote island and re-civilized before they were brought home and turned loose on the American public.Well guess what Sgt., putting us down didn't work then , nor in the 50's, nor anywhere in the future. 70yr. old Korea Vet,and still a Marine. There will always be Marines, so the distractors will just have to live with it . I give them no quarter, nor do I ask any. Cpl. C.E.Berry,Marine.
WHY WE BUY
SGT Grit: Good morning! As always, thanks for the highly motivational newsletter. I recently purchased a shirt from your catalog, and I thought you'd be interested in hearing why.
Since very shortly after my release from active duty a long time ago, I've been an aphaeresis donor, first with the Red Cross and later with the Children's Hospital(for those unfamiliar with aphaeresis, it's a great way to help patients who are really sick, especially children...not really too much different from a blood donation, but it takes a few hours). One of the nurses who was conducting my most recent donation procedure was telling me about a young boy who suffered some fairly severe burns in a kitchen accident last year. He's a tough little guy, more concerned about missing last year's little league season than about pain, and she mentioned that he's at the point in his recovery where scarring is becoming obvious. I remarked about a Corps t-shirt that I owned - you know the one: "Pain is temporary - Pride is forever - Chicks dig scars...". She thought that this young man would love a shirt like that. I'm hoping she's right, because by now, he owns one. A day after receiving delivery from Sgt. Grit, the shirt (medium - the smallest you carry - he'll grow into it) was in the mail to the hospital. I'll be back for my next procedure in the next few weeks, so I'll keep you updated, but I'm sure he'll love it. I just wanted to remind you that not all of your sales are for Marines like myself to re-live our youth, or to show our allegiance to the largest fraternity in the world. The spirit of the Corps can provide motivation and inspiration outside our ranks as well. Semper Fi, and Happy Saint Patrick's Day! Tom McCourt Irish-American by birth, Marine by choice 0311-type, 1 each 9/80-11/86 - on the payroll
CALLING ALL MARINES
Fellow Marines: In a few months veterans will take the spotlight again as we take to the cemeteries and place flags by the graves of our fallen comrades. We'll also be seen throughout the US soliciting donations for poppies. Unfortunately what we don't see enough of is the vets taking part in the Memorial Day Parades. Ladies and Gentlemen, our time has come to dust off those shoes and put the iron to the uniform (whether civilian or military). There is a wave of patriotism sweeping this country that has not been seen for almost 50 years. It's unfortunate the circumstances of the way it happened but reality is reality and it is now our turn to ride this wave of patriotism and make sure it doesn't fade away this time. Your mission which you HAVE to accept is to make sure you get involved in a local parade. But, as Marines we go that one step further. We have to get our friends and family to go also. Get your children, grandchildren, girlfriends, boyfriends, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, mothers, fathers, neighbors, etc., and make sure they go out to support whatever your community is doing, whether it be from the sidelines or in a line of march. The 'greatest generation' has seen the unfortunate drop in patriotism over the last few decades. Now is the time to rekindle it and keep the torch aflame. Should the tide change and it drops again then we just have ourselves to blame. Veterans, now, more than ever, need to get out there and actively recruit, get out there and help other veterans less fortunate. You know the drill, but now we need the full court press, and we need to keep on pressing. See you all in uniform. Taras Szczur SGT USMC 1980-1986
BOOT CAMP CARE PACKAGE
LOVE YOUR NEWSLETTER. I SIT IN FRONT OF MY COMPUTER WITH TEARS ON MY CHEEKS AND LAUGHING OUT LOUD AT THE SAME TIME. IN 1966 I ENLISTED IN THE MARINE CORPS AT THE RIPE OLD AGE OF 17. MY BEST FRIEND FROM HIGH SCHOOL WAS 18 AND HAD PRECEDED ME THE PREVIOUS SEPT. HE TOLD ME ALL THE SECRETS OF SURVIVAL, EG: DON'T GET NOTICED-DON'T GET CARE PACKAGES IN THE MAIL ETC. I HAD BEEN IN PLT 195 AT MCRD SAN DIEGO APPROX.3 WEEKS AND ALL WAS GOING ACCORDING TO PLAN. WE WERE IN THE OLD QUONSET HUTS ALONG THE FENCE BY THE AIRPORT WHEN ONE AFTERNOON OUR SR. DI SSGT BOWSER HAD MAIL-CALL. I NOTICED A PACKAGE IN HIS HAND AND I WONDERED WHO THE UNLUCKY BASTARD WAS WHOSE NAME WAS ON IT. AS HE HELD THE BOX UP HE CALLED MY NAME! IT WAS FROM MY BEST FRIEND WHO WAS NOW STATIONED AT CAMP PENDLETON! AS HE INSTRUCTED ME TO OPEN IT I LOOKED INSIDE AND SAW TO MY HORROR A TOY POLICE CAR. AT THIS TIME HE TOLD US ALL TO FALL IN AND WE MARCHED TO THE "GRINDER". I COULDN'T MARCH WELL BECAUSE MY KNEES WERE A LITTLE WOBBLY.AS WE ARRIVED AT THE EDGE OF THE GRINDER HE INSTRUCTED ME TO DUCK WALK THE LENGTH OF THE GRINDER MAKING SIREN NOISES WHILE PUSHING THE TOY POLICE CAR ON THE ASPHALT. I NEVER KNEW HOW BIG THAT GRINDER WAS TILL THAT DAY. FROM THAT DAY FORWARD THE DIS KNEW MY NAME(NOT A GOOD THING) AND I HAD TO WAIT TILL I GRADUATED AND WENT ON LEAVE TO GET EVEN WITH MY "FRIEND". MY THOUGHTS ARE WITH OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN AFGHANISTAN. SEMPER FI TO ALL. PAT WHELCHEL, CPL USMC 2270032 '66-'69 FONTANA, CALIFORNIA
Click on the following and read about a real hero and when you think you are having a bad day, think again it is not so bad. Bob CARR http://www.mckinneyspeakers.com/speakers/clebemcclary/index.htm .........
WATCHED AN TV SHOW ABOUT THE MAKING OF A MARINE. AS A MARINE FROM THE '53 TO '57 ERA ALL I CAN SAY THEY ARE STILL MAKING THEM RIGHT. THERE WERE SOMETHING THAT WERE EASIER IN MY DAY BUT THEN OTHERS THAT WERE TOUGHER. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE CORPS IT IS IN GOOD HANDS. TONY VONGONTEN, SGT. .........
Several newsletter ago the following question was ask. Ever wonder what soldiers, sailors, and airmen sit around and argue about? Here is a response.
We talk about how we are Former Fleet Marine Corpsmen. Doc Jim Fine Doc Harvey Fine Stockton, CA .........
As we old timers know, Pogy bait is candy bars and junk food. When I caught one of my guys with some of it, I used to make them sing.. "Oh lead me to the coke machine, Cause Im a pogy bait Marine !" Sgt Wells .........
Dear Sgt Grit, As I was reading the current newsletter all of a sudden the words of Mr. S.L. Hose produced an instant and tremendous anger in me that I haven't felt in a very long time. I will assume that he is just very ignorant and doesn't realize what a demeaning, degrading term "BAM" is to a Woman Marine. Mr. Hose please be enlightened lest you use this term within "firing range" of someone you offend. SSgt Audrey C. Sutton USMC '68 - 74 .........
"Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." (2 Corinthians 3:17) .........
Don't know what the argument is about clip fed or magazine. In my old bible "Guidebook for Marines" eleventh printing dated April 1, 1951 on page 137 it states in the second paragraph ( I am sure many of you will remember this) "The M1 rifle is a gas-operated, clip-fed, air cooled, semi-automatic shoulder weapon." Does anyone not remember this? L. A. Whalen Cpl. 1951-54 .........
THANKFUL TO ALL MARINES I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE FOR ALL THE GET WELL AND BIRTHDAY WISHES FOR GySgt MARLIN JOHN MILLER OF FORT WASHINGTON, PENNSYLVANIA - HE IS IN THE HOSPITAL SINCE LAST THURSDAY MAR 14TH BUT HE IS DOING OK NOW - AND YES HE DID SPEND HIS 80TH BIRTHDAY THERE - I'VE BEEN STAYING WITH HIM IN HOSPITAL - EVEN SLEEPING THERE (SLEEPING ON A CHAIR) I PRINTED ALL OF THE EMAILS AND TOOK THEM UP TO HIM LAST NIGHT - HE ENJOYED THEM SO MUCH - THANK YOU ALL - LOVE, MARILYN email@example.com ........
God Bless America!!