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I do not contribute very often. This is your forum. But for a change here it goes. This is how I see it. This war (that is if we quit giving last chances) is about oil and WMD's. Yes oil, that nasty word. Before you tell me oil is not worth going to war over and is immoral; park your car and start riding a bicycle, and start burning wood for warmth. Otherwise you lack conviction and I do not take your argument seriously. Other Americans are willing to fight your battles and die, THAT is conviction. I'm simply asking you to bicycle not die for what you say you believe.
Of course it is about oil, our whole way of life revolves around the energy it provides. By taking over the Iraqi oil fields we will pay for the war. We will make OPEC impudent. Iran may move to moderation, of which there is already a strong movement there. Saudi Arabia, who is funding and contributing most of the manpower to terrorism, becomes less important to us. We would not need their oil. We will pump the h*ll out those fields and world oil prices will fall. For the economically challenged, that means lower prices at the pump and a boast to the economy.
Weapons of mass destruction. Of course he has them. Iraq is as big as Texas. He's had 12 years to hide the stuff. He is only letting us find and destroy the weapons he does not need. He's buying time which weakens our position every day he can delay. France, China, Russia, Germany, all have traded with Iraq. Forget their moral high ground, Iraq owes them money. Tens of billions. Moral high ground; always follow the money first. Of course he will give WMDs to others if it furthers his cause or will weaken the USA and the west.
Are our troops in danger, of course. Saddam's trump card are his WMDs. Hopefully we can neutralize them quickly and limit the exposure of our brave men and women. Our people are trained and motivated. Hmmmm....back to the conviction thing again. The Brits had a live fire excersice the other day and Iraqis came across the boarder trying to surrender. You fiqure it out. Many things can happen in the fog of war, but most indicators point to a short war.
And of course he tortures, rapes, kills, and imprisons, his own people and family. He misuses the food and medical supplies sent to Iraq. And on and on and on.... Obviously in some people's minds this gives him the moral high ground. If we could just get Saddam to kill a few whales or owls instead of his own people the anit-everything crowd would turn on him in a minute.
Usually the correct path is percieved as more difficult.
We are on the correct path.
I have sent in a couple opinions and even vented for awhile, and you have been kind enough to publish them for all to read. I am in the Middle East as almost all active and Reserve Marines are, and I look forward to reading the Newsletter every week. It reassures me of where I come from and what I have to live up to. As a Sgt I am asked to lead my Marines, whether it be into battle or in everyday life. I take such pride in that, my young Marines look to me for guidance and advise. For all those Mothers that have expressed what they are feeling about their sons and daughters being deployed over here, rest assured that they are being taken care of. I talk to my Troops everyday and look out for anything they may need to ease the stress of what is to come, and once in awhile they ask what I need. We are upbeat and anxious to see what will happen, or should I say when it will happen. We are prepared! We are trained for this! I will bring your sons and daughters home safe. That is my job and duty, I am responsible for their training and welfare. For all you retired Marines, whether it was 4 years or 44 years. You can rest assure that we will uphold the Tradition that you paved before us, we will not falter. After all, we are THE FEW and THE PROUD!! Most feared and respected branch of military in all the world. People think Marines are arrogant, and have big heads. Let me tell you that arrogance is most of the time confused with Confidence, and having a big head is confused with having Pride. I deal with the Army, Air Force, and Navy here everyday. And it is funny how they all seem to think they have to give me their resume when we are just bullsh*ting, it is a respect thing. They know I have been there and done that, which I have. They want to try and measure up, the Navy does not have far to go. they are our step-brothers/sisters if you will, except for the Corpsman. They are "our" brothers/sisters, just as if they were Marines themselves. In '92 while in Somalia, I saw how the we (Marines) were not tested by the clans that were fighting. They respected us and knew they would get their a** whooped. The Army on the other hand was not respected and it got so bad Hollywood made a movie about it. Even though the Movie made the Army look good, a couple months later after the whole Black hawk thing happened the President pulled out of Somalia. Cause the Army could not handle it. To the reader that wrote in on Newsletter dated March 6, 2003 that you always hear the other branches try to make themselves seem equal to the Corps. Humor them and realize they can never be equal, cause they did not "EARN" the title U.S. Marine. I want to thank you all for your support while we embark on this great adventure over here, mothers your sons and daughters will be home shortly and safe. I am seeing to that! Retired Marines rest assured we are going to do you all Proud in keeping the tradition going, after all the Marine Corps has never lost a war. That includes Vietnam, it was a war not a police action.
Welcome Home Marines!!
Sgt Ingraham, C.J. USMC 5th Marine Regiment "Fighting Fifth"
Thanks for the newsletter. I need an antidote to the guff I hear on the major-media news.
One of the stupidest remarks I've heard lately was a quote from one of the "human-shield-wannabees" who said that "...the United States had no right to impose our values on other nations. Democracy," she said, "must evolve from within." What baloney! Apparently, this woolly-headed idealist has forgotten about Japan and Germany!
Were it not for our martially imposed values, there would be no Democracy in Japan, which was a nation of feudal warlords, until we defeated and occupied it. To accomplish this task, we were forced to resort to terrible weapons, for they would not surrender, otherwise. Today, the Japanese are among the most productive, peaceful, and yes--democratic--nations of the world.
Germany tried to build an internally-evolved democracy, for about twenty years, called the Weimar Republic. Having no previous tradition of democracy and being, at that time, a nation geared to groveling to the Prussians, or other jack-booted thugs, they failed--and we got Hitler! Only the imposed democracy and occupation by Allied Forces, brought to birth the democratic republic of Germany. For another fifty years, we protected them from the threat of their "sister" state, East Germany, and its Soviet overlords. Democracy, with strength, is so infectious, that eventually the Berlin Wall came down, without a shot being fired.
Then there is France. Dear God, will these people never learn? Let us simply say, that aside from a few members of the French Resistance, (spiritual descendents of Lafayette and his men?) the French are gutless wonders, who fold when pressure is applied. Without the bloody sacrifice of thousands of Americans and Britain's, there would be no France; no NATO; no United Nations; no permanent seat on the Security Counsel, from which the French will waffle and fold, yet again.
If I see a man beating a child in the street, I will impose my value system upon him, by doing my best to kick his a$$; by comforting his child; and--while I have his attention--by trying to teach him a better way to behave. Otherwise, I am complicit in his crime for allowing him to beat a child, unmolested. When we see a wrong being done, we--who know better--have a moral imperative to step in and interfere--with force, if necessary.
Iraq advocates the destruction of Americans; it has developed biological and chemical weapons--and used them against their own ethnic minorities; they are a nation of repression and fear, led by a dictator; they encourage terrorism, by giving it safe haven and by paying the families of so-called suicide bombers. They must be stopped!
Must America play "policeman of the World?" Yes! Because we are the strongest; the best; the most righteous; the most able--Nation on the planet. And because there is nobody else who can do the job.
God Bless the United States Marine Corps!
Grant them victory and bring them safely home!
Proud Marine Mom
"Honor, justice, and humanity, forbid us tamely to surrender that freedom which we received from our gallant ancestors, and which our innocent posterity have a right to receive from us."
From Mark Rosen of the Navy League:
The NATIONAL DEFENSE COMMITTEE has begun work on Capitol Hill to investigate and seek congressional action to rectify reports that recently mobilized Reserve & National Guard Members, who are also students, are being denied refunds of their tuition payments by their colleges or universities. Because these individuals will still technically be enrolled, they will not receive credit for the courses unless they pass the mid-term or final exams.
Some have even been told by their professors that they will receive an "F" in their courses -- and others are being told that since they're leaving the university as students, they will have to re-apply for admission once they return from their military duty, with no guarantee of re-admission. There is one situation where a 2nd year law school student has been told that if she's not back within a year, she will have to start the whole 3 year Law School cycle over.
This anti-military bias directed towards individuals who are doing their duty is outrageous and unacceptable. I am attempting to convince legislators to include a rider on pending appropriations legislation denying all federal grant or contract funding to any public or private university which does not grant full reinstatement rights to these citizen soldiers or otherwise penalizes them for military service.
Please keep an eye out for similar situations involving recalled Guardsmen & Reservists, as well as Regular Military Members who are students, who are experiencing these problems as a result of recall or unexpected movement of their unit which prevents their attendance at their college or university. Have them contact the: NatlDefenseComm@aol.com using "Denied Tuition Refund" in the subject line. The Chairman of the National Defense Committee, RADM Jim Carey, USNR, will compile the reports and then work the issue on the Hill along with other organizations.
I am an Army Vet and have a Marine son presently in the Gulf. Your newsletter is a great comfort to me.
Many of your readers would gladly replace the servicemen and women presently in the area. We have lived our lives and we all pray that they may live theirs.
Sen. Ted Kennedy wrote in Newsletter #39 "the international community accomplished greater disarmament in 7 years of inspections that than it did during Gulf War."
Kennedy must be remembering the Gulf War as he does Chappadic (sp?) Bridge. The Gulf War resulted in a 50% reduction of strength of the Iraqi Army. It is now time to eliminate the other 50%.
Glen Wright US ARMY 74-76
I'm responding to Sean Cary and his concern about protesters out here harassing Marine wife's and other family wearing USMC gear. Coming from a proud "former" Marine, if I happen to see anything like that, the last thing that protester will be worried about is Iraq. That being said, I want to say hello to my hard charging Devildogs in 3d amphibious assault group, 1st marine Division. OOH RAH. You take care of yourselves, and each other, over there and we'll handle the home defense. Shoot straight and try not to get stuck with that nasty mini sausage MRE.
"There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men."
"Terrified Iraqi soldiers have crossed the Kuwait border and tried to surrender to British forces - because they thought the war had already started. The motley band of a dozen troops waved the white flag as British paratroopers tested their weapons during a routine exercise. The stunned Paras from 16 Air Assault Brigade were forced to tell the Iraqis they were not firing at them, and ordered them back to their home country telling them it was too early to surrender. The drama unfolded last Monday as the Para battalion tested mortars and artillery weapons to make sure they were working properly. The Iraqis found a way across the fortified border, which is sealed off with barbed-wire fencing, watchtowers and huge trenches."
--Sunday Mirror (UK)
"One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half."
"One might have thought that the Cold War's conclusion would have convinced the Left that appeasement of dictators is not profitable."
Sgt Grit :
I for one can't wait for the start pistol to go off. I want my kid to kick *ss, take names and come on home. He is in his fourth year and I've never seen him more at ease and ready to rumble. His head is where it needs to be - his bride of eight months is holding down the fort and doing her job as a naval corpsman at the hospital on base. I can't help but to think that every marine in the sand box is poised and ready. I agree entirely that it is our only option.
NOW - we are ready - not later when they are.
PMM Sgt. Steve
"To march against the war is not to give peace a chance. It is to give tyranny a chance. It is to give the Iraqi nuke a chance. It is to give the next terrorist mass murder a chance. It is to march for the furtherance of evil instead of the vanquishing of evil."
I haven't seen it reported anywhere but surely those celebrities who are so adamantly opposed to President Bush and a war with Iraq have already gone overseas to volunteer as Human Shields.... No? Susan Sarandon ... Barbra Streisand ... Sean Penn ... Dustin Hoffman? I must have missed the news the night that story was reported! Note to Alec Baldwin: remember when you promised to leave the U.S. if George W. Bush was elected President? Now's your chance!!
Personal note: the last time I wrote to your newsletter, Sgt Grit, I was the beaming mother of 4 Marines. I am thrilled to report that, in addition to my Marines, I'm now also the mother of a Coast Guard Officer (wife to one of my Marines) and that my youngest child (my only daughter) will soon be an Air Force Officer. Whenever I'm asked to identify my greatest accomplishment in life, I simply point to the photos of my children in uniform and say, "Take your pick......" God Bless all of you who have served and who continue to serve our country ~
Wendy A. Memphis, TN
A couple of weeks ago I indicated that if I could, I'd enlist today and help my country track down those responsible for killing thousands of innocent people in New York City and Washington, DC But I'm 60 now and the Armed Forces says I'm too old to track down terrorists. You can't be older than 35 to join the Army.
They've got the whole thing backwards. Instead of sending 18-year-olds off to the fight, they ought to take us old guys. You shouldn't be able to join until you're at least 35-years-old. For starters: Researchers say 18-year-olds think about sex every 10-seconds. Old guys think about sex every 15-seconds, leaving us more than 28,000 additional seconds per day to concentrate on the enemy. Young guys haven't lived long enough to be cranky and grumpy. A cranky and grumpy soldier is a dangerous soldier. If we can't kill the enemy we'll complain them into submission or surrender. "My back hurts!" "I'm hungry!" "Where's the remote control?"
An 18-year-old hasn't had a legal bottle of beer yet, and you shouldn't go to war until you're at least old enough to legally drink beer. An average old guy, on the other hand, has probably consumed at least 126,000 gallons of beer by the time he's 35, and a jaunt through the desert heat with a backpack on and an M-60 over your shoulder would do wonders for a beer belly. An 18-year-old doesn't like to get up before 10 a.m. Old guys get up early just to show we can [and to steal the neighbors newspaper]. If old guys got captured we couldn't spill the beans because we'd probably forget where we put them. In fact, name, rank and serial number would be a real brainteaser.
If it wasn't for the age barrier, I'd pretty much be able to get into the Army without a hitch. According to the Army Internet site, I'd need to pass an entrance exam [officially called an ASVAB], but the simple questions I saw weren't exactly headache material. Boot Camp would actually be easier for old guys. We're used to getting screamed and yelled at, and we actually like soft food. We've also developed a deep appreciation for guns and rifles. We like them almost better than naps. The Army could lighten up on the obstacle course, however. . . I've been to the desert and didn't see a single 20-foot wall with a rope hanging over the side. I can hear the Drill Instructor now. "Get down and give me ......er.....one!" And the running part seems to be a h*ll of a waste of good energy. I've never seen anyone outrun a bullet. Patience is something most 18-year-olds simply do not have. For good reason too. An 18-year-old has the whole world ahead of him. He's still learning to shave. To actually carry on a conversation. To learn that a pierced tongue catches food particles. And that a 200-watt speaker in the back seat of a Honda Accord can rupture an eardrum. All great reasons to keep our sons at home to learn a little more about life before sending them off to a possible death. Let us old guys track down those dirty, rotten, filthy, cowards who attacked our country on September 11th. The last thing they'd want to see right now would be a couple of million old guys with attitudes! (That includes us retreads too!). In God We Trust!!!
One Nation Under God!!!
JOHN MANUEL OF THE MARINES....69-90
....this other group that is going over there to stand like rows of corn with strangers all around, most glad to see one more infidel dye, don't make sense. Maybe I do no have enough education to understand this mind set, but I do have the basic good sense to not stand in the middle of a bombardment. Thank you Marine Corps for this small bit of information that any would be "human shield" can pick up by spending time at PI and completing their education.
Derry, PA USA
"...[W]e cannot allow the defense of American lives to be held hostage by the United Nations -- which has already given Saddam Hussein a final warning, and now wants to give him another final warning. And, if he doesn't heed that, they will threaten him with yet another warning."
I want to thank Sgt Beckstead for his comment in your last newsletter...
"All Marines bleed red, whether they're light green or dark green, Republican or Democrat."
It brought into focus something I have been trying to get a grip on for a long time.
Protesters are not just Democrats or liberals - they are folks who are not willing to bleed a drop of their own blood for this country - yet they expect every freedom that can be sucked from it.
They have freedom of speech, but would give nothing to protect it, except whining if we took it away.
They have all the freedoms of this country, but would do nothing to preserve them. This country's freedoms are to be earned, not exploited. Rights engender Responsibilities.... but protestors will have none of that. Just endow them with FREEDOMS and RIGHTS; and, of course, all for free!
So, if you hear that I punched one in the nose at a protest march, don't be too surprised - I'm just exercising one of my freedoms :-)
MSgt USMC (Ret).
1) What do you call 10,000 Frenchies standing in a field waving their hands in the air?
... Their army.
2 ) Did you hear the French army is selling off surplus rifles?
... Never been fired, and only dropped once.
3) How many French soldiers does it take to defend their eastern frontier?
... Nobody knows, it's never been tried.
4) Why are there so many tree lined roads in France?
... So the Germans can comfortably march in the shade.
5) What's the fastest way to get the French to go into Iraq?
... Tell them truffles have been discovered in Baghdad.
6) Why do the US battle plans call for the French to go in first against the Iraqis?
... In case the Iraqis don't remember how to surrender.
7) Why do French tanks have four gears in reverse and one forward?
... For the unlikely event that they are attacked from behind.
8) What does the French battle flag look like?
... A white field, with nothing on it.
9) Why do the French put artillery stakes behind their lines?
... It makes it easier to judge the distance of their retreat.
10) Why do French army battle fatigues have brown trousers?
... So as to not spoil appearances during retreats.
11) Why did the French army change the battle issue from five magazines of ammo to one?
... So they could carry an extra pair of pants.
12) What is the French term for army pay?
13) With which arms supplier do the French have the most experience?
14) With which arms supplier do the French have the second most experience?
15) What does the French army call a spearhead assault unit?
... "Mine komraden!!!!"
16) How do the French refer to soldiers stationed in Paris.?
... "Mien herr."
17) What defensive system did the French expect to stop an invasion in WWII?
... The "Imagineot" Line.
18) How are the French most likely to repulse an invasion force?
19) What do the French call their last line of defense against invasion?
... The "Yanks"
20) What's the first thing the French forget in international relations?
... Normandy, and the Americans buried there ...
Craig N. Mullis
My Grandfather, who fought in France in WWI, used to say, "The French, they are a funny race. They fight with their feet and They F**k with their face!"
Sgt Lyon USMC 1811 '63/'67
Lest we not forget Hanoi Jane You Are not an American, think of all the young military men and women your are letting down. We are going to call you Baghdad Sue.
Proud Father of a United States Marine
"We make war that we may live in peace."
I have been debating sending something to you regarding the war protesters. Most readers of this board gave up years of our lives to allow these short-sited pinheads the right to protest our actions, and, while I am not so lean and not so mean as I once was, I'd like to think that I'd still be willing to mix it up to defend those same pinheads' rights to their freedom of speech. I would just really appreciate it if they would go visit the cause of the problem and protest there (In Iraq). If the protesters live through that, maybe they will have a better idea of what the freedoms they have in this country cost others and would appreciate those freedoms more.
"A just fear of an imminent danger, though there be no blow given, is a lawful cause of war."
--Sir Francis Bacon
Want to also tell you about a new Marine whose name is Matthew Mooi. I exchanged emails with this young man prior to his leaving for boot camp. After almost a year I thought I'd drop another email and see what shook out. Yesterday I received a reply, not from Matthew but from his mother. Matt did in fact join the Corps and go to boot camp. During the training cycle he suffered stress fractures on the left leg. Got dropped, went to medical platoon and then rehab. He got picked up and during the Crucible he suffered a broken bone in his right foot. While back in medical he was informed that he would be going home. It was at this point that he explained that the only way he wanted to leave Camp Pendleton was as a Marine. Well, he picked up another platoon and completed the cycle, including the Crucible and is now a United States Marine. So, the moral is, there are still a few good men out there and they still find the Corps.
"Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character."
Today, March 12, 2003, all the news services have released information on where the funding for the wussey protestors comes from. Just to show you Americans that the marchers aren't as bright as they would have us believe. For those of you who marched in the last S.F. protest rally, you were funded by an organization called 'Not in my Name'. This popular organization receives its funding from a world organization called, 'The Workers World Party' and it cost them approximately $200,000 to brain wash you. (Pretty cheap by today's standards) It just smacks of communism and rightfully so. This organization is communist. It goes, as far as to let you know they support any and all communist countries and organizations. Now you ungrateful Peaceniks, you should feel duped but I'm sure you will find a way to make it seem and feel right as always. You know...the course of self-righteous least resistance. By the way, I thank all those Great Americans who contacted me and thanked me on my last letter. The ratio was about 8:1 in favor of my view. It's a pity we have to tolerate the few who whine the most.
It's life, get over it!
Fort Bragg, CA
"England has been offered a choice between war and shame. She has chosen shame and will get war."
I personally am tired of all the bulls**t that I've watched on TV and read in various newspapers and even your newsletter regarding America's role in fighting a war with Iraq.
Throw every argument aside both pro and con and let us all contemplate on one and only issue. Capt. Michael Scott Speicher USN.
Capt. Speichers' F-18 Hornet was shot down on the first day of the Air War and was declared America's first casualty of Operation Desert Storm. The then Lt. Cmdr. was designated MIA as of the date. In 1996 he was redesignated KIA/BNR. In January 2001, in an unprecedented decision by the Navy--nearly 10 years after his plane was downed, he was reclassified as missing in action. His current classification status stands at missing/captured. For more than a year now U.S. intelligence agencies have had information strongly indicating Iraq is holding Capt. Speicher.
Shame on us! What more motivation do we need to send our troops into Iraq?
I'm sure there are many people who would disagree with me on this point, h*ll it's only one man. What if that one person was you or your brother or heaven forbid your son? For twelve years now Capt. Speicher has been incarcerated as a POW and mostly forgotten by his country that he proudly served.
Capt. Speicher, were coming to get you sir. Skipper, I'm so very sorry that it has taken this long.
Former Sgt. USMC
RVN service 66'-67'-68
How is it that the Iraq government can make a comment like this? "Iraq agreed to destroy the missiles in a letter sent to U.N. weapons inspectors Thursday but said it does not know how to destroy the weapons and wanted the U.N. technical mission to discuss the details." In the same breath state it has destroyed all chemical and biological weapons. If Iraq does not even know how to destroy missiles without assistance from the U.N., then how did they supposedly destroy hundreds of thousands of pounds of chemical and biological weapons without the U.N. inspectors assistance. Just food for thought.
"The French couldn't hate us any more unless we helped 'em out in another war."
For all of you interested in showing your support to our Marines & other military and to let them know that we are behind them 100%, there is a rally taking place on May 17, 2003 (Armed Service Day) in Washington, D.C. The march is called Operation Military Pride & its a way to tell all those anti-war idiots what's really important! I am the proud fiancÃ©e of a Lcpl in the Marine Corp & I will be there with plenty of signs letting this country know that I am behind our President & our guys over there protecting our freedoms!! Here is the link for more information on the March. http://operationmilitarypride.org/index.html
Proud FiancÃ©e of USMC Lcpl Hazard
"France cynically sees inspections not as a way to disarm Iraq, but to disarm the United States."
I would like to ask that all who want to be a "human shield" put down sawdust first... it helps to clean up the mess. ;-)
Fred Gruber. "Ex-Marine"? Were you kicked out? Last I heard, there were no "ex" Marines.
Last, but not least, I think we should drop a little Napalm on Paris... have us some "French fries"...
God Bless America!
Wayne "Road" Halstead
The Saudi government postures and preens about its opposition to terrorism, but according to Israel's former ambassador to the United Nations, Dore Gold, there's much more linking them to terrorism than just the fact that the September 11 terrorists were mostly Saudis. In fact, there is evidence linking the highest levels of Saudi government and society to radical and frankly terrorist Muslim groups. All the evidence is laid out in Gold's shocking new expose, Hatred's Kingdom: Saudi Arabia, Wahhabism, and the Rise of Global Terrorism.
"If you read one book to understand the roots of al-Qa'ida's fury, it should be this one." --R.
former Director of the CIA
Hey Sgt Grit,
I got this from the Rally for America site. http://www.rallyforamerica.org. I thought it was pretty insightful.
The fashionable assaults on patriotism, in the end, are failures of character. They are made by privileged individuals who enjoy the full benefits offered by the country they deride and detest-its opportunities, its freedom, its riches but who lack the basic decency to pay their country the allegiance and respect that honor demands. Honor, of course, is often another object of their derision. For the rest of us, our own honor and our devotion to our nation's special virtues requires us to respect and defend their opportunity to be irresponsible and subversive of our safety. But nothing forbids us from pointing out the despicable nature of their behavior.
----- Professor Donald Kagan, Yale
Sgt. Amanda, for shame, for shame. Do you not realize that the "First IRAQ, Then France, Then Germany(again), then Korea(again) really depicts? It is a Marine's way of saying, if you are not with us you are against us, and do not ever threaten us, or indeed we will kick your *ss....Simply put Amanda, THIS IS the way I see it and BY ALL THAT IS HOLY, and with GOD'S will, I WILL WEAR IT PROUDLY! Yes, you read this correctly, Amanda, I am shouting. For you should realize something. You are a trained Marine. You are not a trained diplomat. Leave the Proselytizing to the politicians and diplomats and get back to supporting what we Marines are about. We have proudly fought the Germans, Koreans, Iraqi's, and yes the French. Remember when Germany rolled over France in WWII? The French Government could not surrender fast enough and the Vichy Government supported the Germans and we fought them right along with the Germans. So yes, we will again if we have to and frankly since the French never seem to get the message, I for one would relish giving them the message in person.
Richard E. Nygaard
SSgt. USMC 1953-1963
See the t-shirt below #TSC15:
The ghost of the valiant Marines that lost their lives in Beirut Lebanon cry out; "Avenge us". The sailors who lost their lives on the USS Cole cry out; Avenge us". The citizens who went horribly to their deaths on September 11 2001 in the Twin Towers cry out; "Avenge us". The personal who lost their lives in the Pentagon on September 11 2001 cry out; "Avenge us". The brave patriots who gave their lives over Pennsylvania on September 11 2001 cry out; "Avenge us". We all, Americans in uniform, and civilians alike are called to duty to "Avenge" the loss of our brothers and sisters. To all those who are marching and chanting in the streets, close your mouths and listen to the cry of these brave souls. For now is the time to stand up for your countrymen, like they stood up for you.
Do you know how France defends their country?
They cover it with a big white flag.
They can only do that for a month because they have to give it back to Germany.
Stand by they will be calling us to save their butts.
Tim Mc Carthy L/cpl. U.S. M.C. 1959
Dear Sgt. Grit and all Brother Marines:
My remarks are directed to Herr Gruber whose letter found in Newsletter #39 got a real response out of me. You see, I have done my time...RVN Classes of 1965, 1966, 1967 and still have the scars to prove it. I was spit upon and called a "Baby Killer" among other things when I returned home. I am not alone because this happened to an awful lot of us.
Most of us volunteered. We went because our country said we were needed. When we did, we found out that we were well trained and we supported and took care of each other. We did indeed become brothers in foxholes, rice paddies, in the hills and in the delta. We laughed, and cried both alone and together but we did our duty without reservation. Why? Because we were Marines. Sure we joked about the other branches but we were all there together. We saw our brother fall and we brought him home to be buried in the USA.
I share these thoughts because we followed the orders of our Commander in Chief. We served with troops of other nations. We were grateful for their help and we didn't downgrade them. We were protectors of our allies and enemies of those who wanted to take away their/our freedom. Many gave all that mortality could give.
Herr Gruber claims to have once been a Marine. I wonder where he learned to become such an anti-Semitic human being. The war in Iraq is not about Israel. It is not about oil. It is about stopping tyranny of an oppressed people who, if left unchecked, would indeed continue to support terrorism.
In the Middle-East there is one democracy...Israel. In the Middle-East there is but one strong ally to fight for freedom with us. It is Israel! Herr Gruber would have us leave such a ally to fend for herself. That is not America's way and that ain't the Marine way either. Unlike some of our so called allies, we help our friends...our brothers and all who seek to live in a world of peace.
You have a right in this country to speak your peace but this is one Jewish Former Marine who doesn't like what you say and what you stand for. Peddle your hate in some other newsletter. We fought WWII to end this kind of hatred but it still is here and I don't like it.
G_d Bless American and G_d Bless the United States Marine Corps
Capt. T L Neuman
In reference to Mr Fred Gruber's input to Newsletter #39, he killed every last shred of his credibility when he declared (accurately, I'd wager) that he is an "Ex-Marine". And then to have the UTTER GALL to end it with Semper Fi?!?! He's in the same boat as the "Ex-Marine" that wants to go and be a human shield in Baghdad. Maybe Mr Gruber should contact that guy's travel agent, and book himself a flight over there.
Semper Fi, Grit.
Keep up the great work!
N.J. DeWeerd LCpl/USMC 98-Present
You can bet that every last one of my rounds will be soaked in bacon grease! !
Each Saturday we hold a rally at various locations around the Puget Sound area. We started out will maybe 150 people the first week, but have continued to grow every week and had an estimated 3,000 at our most recent rally. For more information go to http://www.ron-siddell.com God Bless the USA and God BLESS OUR MILITARY!
Barbara Webb Seattle,
WA Proud Mom of LCPL TG Kelly USMC
Too bad Jane Fonda isn't one of the human shields, she'd make one h*ll of a good target.
K. Thomas USMC 61-81
Thanks for your great newsletter. Our country is being tested right now. It will be the men and women of our military, as always, that will face the threats on the field of battle. It will be the rest of us who may face attacks here at home. At the least, we must have the resolve to "suck it up" and stand united and strong in support of our brothers and sisters in uniform. Wimps can go wring their hands in a corner somewhere, just get out of our way!
It is wonderful to see in your newsletters how we have demonstrations being organized in support of our troops. This will put the misguided "Anti-America" protestors on notice that we will not tolerate their misinformation protests to go unchallenged. It is with great pride that I see Marines of earlier years (such as me) who are seeking the opportunity to step between our military personnel and any "protestors" who may harass them. "Marine, Sailor, Airman, Soldier, Coastie let me take care of this while you go ahead do what you must do". Protestor, be aware. I will not stand idly by and let you harass a military person. You are wrong to do so and we let it happen a long time ago to people who did not deserve that treatment. We will not let it happen again!
For everyone who has a loved one deployed during this time, just remember that you are never alone. There are thousands (or millions) of us vets out here that are there for you. We are not hard to find. We may be that gray headed rascal at the airport standing around doing nothing (except making sure no one in uniform is harangued by a spitter!). We may be that guy on the motorcycle with the Eagle, Globe, and Anchor emblem on his helmet. We may be the fellow at the front of the church, on his knees, praying for your loved ones. We are here for you because you and your loved ones are there for us.
And to my nephew, Capt B. Collins, USMC, wherever you are right now, "Keep your powder dry!"
Sgt, USMC 74-77
Maybe one of you out there can explain these to me:
President Bush is described as a "Cowboy", by both his foreign and domestic enemies, right? (You notice I capitalized the word, "Cowboy", because the name deserves being capitalized.)
Now, maybe you can explain why it is that when I see a picture of Saddam Hussein he's either firing a rifle or pistol into the air, or waving around a sword?..When was the last time you saw a civilized head-of-State in the Free world do that? In public. Who's the Cowboy?
Why does the press refer to this war with the same description as the Muslim's do..... A "Holy War".? Since when is a "Holy War" where you kill innocents? Apparently our press cannot think for themselves when it comes to inventing 'words'. How about this: "Terrorist War".
Why are the human bombers that kill people by killing themselves referred to as: "Human Bombers", when in fact they are "Human Murderers".
Why is America referred to as the "Great Satan". Why don't we refer to all those countries that call us the "Great Satan".....As the "Great Satins "....That would be a twist wouldn't it.? But h*ll, we don't want to offend anyone do we?
Why don't we just finish this thing in Iraq, right now without further farting around, without the "approval" of the so called UN, Germany, France, China, Russia....What would those countries do, declare war on us when we find evidence that most of the weapons and technology Iraq has was"Made in Germany, Made in France, Made in Russia, Made in China" stamped on it?....
Why do the Hollywood hacks get to vent their ideas in the world wide press and media, when the common grass-roots folks of this Country don't have that type of soap box. What makes them so special? Who gave them the great wisdom they think they have.? I remember a Drill Instructor I had at Parris Island, SSgt. Murray, say: "Respect your officers, but don't fear them, they put their pants on the same way you do." I just don't go see the movies they star in anymore, that's all I can do, not put my money into their pockets. Do these so called actors think that if this country was run by a bunch of "holy war Muslim's" that they would be able to practice their trade as freely as they do now?
I am sure that there are some of you out there that don't agree with me. That's okay, because that's what this is all about, agreeing to disagree. But just don't try to convert me to your idea that America is wrong in this thing that is going on. Because you won't do it. I cannot be turned. Because I know I'm right, and your are wrong. It's that simple. Am I a "Hawk", you bet your *ss I am...always have been, always will be.
Marine Bro Sgt. Grit;
In item 7 of his message to us all, Gunny Art questioned as to "why would they coat ammunition with bacon grease". In answer to that question, (pardon me "Mail Call") I believe that, like our Jewish friends, The Arabs have strong religious beliefs against pork or pork products which includes bacon grease. Wouldn't it be a sad (for SADdam) mistake if some of our air refueling aircraft were accidentally filled with Bacon grease and "accidentally" dropped their load over where SAD-D*mn and his gang were located. Another point, I bet Osama and his group evaded our troops while clothed in the long dresses of Arab women. With the face covering, they didn't even have to shave their bug infested beards. Been in the Corp before, an' still in in heart
" Chuck " 1945-1957
Maybe my fellow Devil Dogsa would agree with me on this. I am disgusted by the way this has been handled by the media as well as some Americans. My arguments have been called very well educated by some and plain garbage by others, but I will let you be the judge.
First: Many people say that we have no business fighting a war over oil. The response to that is simple. Iraq's oil supply is controlled by one man, Saddam Hussein. The resolutions have allowed him to sell enough oil for food and medicine, yet the people continue to starve and die while Iraq's war machine has been secretly built and hidden and Hussein's many palaces add on another wing. If all we wanted was oil, we could either take over Kuwait, or simply lift the sanctions on Iraq.
Second: Our military is the best trained and best prepared military on the planet. We know the risks when we sign up. To say that we will go in unprepared and outmatched is ludicrous. Families don't want their loved ones to be put in harm's way. This is what we signed up and what we are trained to do. We will get the job done. Anybody that does not have faith in the American military is probably French.
Finally; I believe in America and believe in the principle of freedom of speech. It is just one thing that makes America great. One of our defining characteristics as Americans is our system of democracy, and we have proven that it works, however, in a time of crisis, it is good to disagree and have your own opinion and beliefs. This time, however, I must take issue with some of these Hollywierd stars. I remember a time about 30 years ago when a Hollywood heavyweight supported the opposing side, her name was Hanoi Jane Fonda. In a time of war, is it not considered an act of treason to openly support the enemy?
Marines 1983 - 1988,
Marine Corps League 2000 to present
The only language these terrorist types know is fighting fire with fire, fear on fear. Has anyone heard ANYTHING out of Libya since the mid 80's after we busted across his "line of death" on the Gulf of Sidra (sp?) at Mach-II?
S/F Paul "Chaneyman" Chaney
VFW Life Member
In response to the tirade of "Fred Gruber", I think it should be noted that two points jump out at you. First, he claims to be an "Ex-Marine", and he uses the term "Zionism." Today that term is only used by terrorists and countries that are the avowed enemies of Israel. It is the movement that was for the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine. There has been a State of Israel since 1948, by mandate of the United Nations. Terrorists and anti-Semitic states still use the "Zionist" term because they refuse to recognize the existence of Israel. They also want every Israeli man, woman, and child dead.
The laughable part is that we are supporting the "imperialism" of Israel has repeatedly beat off attacks from all her neighbors. Does anyone really think Israel would need us to attack Iraq for her? Please.
Yes, we do give aid to Israel. I personally support that. Israel is a gutsy little country surrounded by enemies and deserves our support. We should support the underdog. On the other hand, we give North Korea 50% of their food imports, at no charge. What the h*ll does that get us? How many other countries take our money then stab us in the back at the first opportunity? France, Germany and Belgium come to mind?
Sgt. Grit and company
I never thought I would be responding to an item in your letter but here I am. First , leave the french alone with out them we would not have, Peppy Lapue. Which says a lot about them. Right??? Second, Albert C. your quote should be, It is better to die on my feet...than to continue living on my knees... This quote is by a great Californian Texan, Gen. Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919. And yes I'm a Jar Head, 65-69 Viet-Vet. 1ST Marine Division when it went over as a unit in 66.
A. J. L. Shingle Springs Ca.
"You may not support the campaign, but you must support the troops that give you the right not to."
I have a son who is a Sgt in the Corps (a 3rd generation Marine) and a brother-in-law (now Army gaurds, but still a Marine) who are sitting in Saddams playground waiting to protect all these idiots that live their cushy lives and can't stop running their mouths. I LOVE your letters and think that your voices should be heard somewhere besides this newsletter (with all due respect to Sgt Grit). Contact your local papers, write to your legislation and by all means let your voice be heard at any chance. Write to your President let him know he is supported. He is between a rock and a hard spot. If he does go to war he's d*mned, if he doesn't and next month/year we get hit by terrorists its his fault and again he is d*mned....I wouldn't want his job...although I am a Woman and a Marine daughter, sister and mother......(Ha) I have my yellow ribbons out, my mothers flag up (have actually had to replace it 3 times over the past 3 years) and our public school is helping me with our Adopt a Unit project by having all the classes k-12 write letters and draw pictures for our troops. The only thing worse than a Marine on a Mission is a p*ssed off Marine Mom defending her Son/Daughter (they are all mine!!)and her Country...Everyone knows where I stand, let them all know where you stand.
VERY PROUD MARINE MOM
Herr Gruber here comes both barrels:
Americans and all democratic loving persons of the world have to be very careful about your type of free speech. By God, I defend your right to spout this Mein Kampf stuff, but we need to be sure we separate it from the real things we fight for. I am not a Jew or a Zionist, but I'd rather have one good friend on my left then all the wishy-washy NATO allies. Give me a friend who stands up to terrorists and not one who will appease them. Give me someone who throws two punches for each one received. But don't give me someone who wants to divide me from my friend simply because of their religion. Yes, we have sent a lot of money to help Israel, and they have taken the brunt of terrorism for years. Yes, if we stopped sending them the money and stopped backing them in the U.N. and let the various Arab states have their way with them, then the Muslim terrorists would probably have not bothered us much. Is that what you want? Should we abandon our friends because it might affect your pocketbook or possibly endanger you? What happened to "Millions for defense, but not one penny for tribute." And it would in fact be a type of tribute or blackmail from them. So we would then become a country of appeasers as some of the Europeans. Is that what you want?
I am part Lakota Souix, Herr Gruber. Is my minority next on your list. Where do you stop, Auschwitz, Dachau, what is your FINAL SOLUTION?
And thanks for reminding me of the idiots in the Government. Yes, those idiots that I voted for and helped to get elected because it is my right as an American to pick and chose my leaders. Yes, those idiots that I entrust with the well being of my family and my country. There's no doubt that not everything is done the way I'd like it to be done. But there are about 280 million of us and it's not easy to please all the people all of the time. But at least I don't have a former paper hanger with a Charlie Chaplin mustache telling me what I can and can't do all day, who I can associate with, what church I can or can't go to. If that is what you want, I suggest that might want to find another environment where they listen to this type of stuff. Try France. I'd rather see your type in charge of the French Army then in charge of my armed forces.
I'm sorry, I wanted this to be more powerful. I wanted it to be a call to arms to all of us not to listen to this type of crooked cross misdirection in the face of conflict. I hope that it makes all of us think of where our direction is going. We are a democratic republic and we have to keep it that way, and I'm sick of people who want to use our feelings and emotions to point us in some other direction. Let's keep ourselves focused on American Ideals.
Operation Resolve to Win began on Mar 11, 1968 and Operation Breakfast began Mar 18, 1969. Operation Remove the little Iraqi guy with the Charlie Chaplin mustache will begin around the same time. Give 'em H*ll boys and girls.
Steve Eslin Pvt to 1st Lt, USMC, 1966-1978
Opinions on France / the French
"France has neither winter nor summer nor morals. Apart from these drawbacks it is a fine country. France has usually been governed by prostitutes."
"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me."
-- General George S. Patton
"We can stand here like the French, or we can do something about it."
-- Marge Simpson
"As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure"
--Jacques Chirac, President of France
"As far as France is concerned, you're right."
"The only time France wants us to go to war is when the German Army is sitting in Paris sipping coffee."
"The French are a smallish, monkey-looking bunch and not dressed any better, on average, than the citizens of Baltimore. True, you can sit outside in Paris and drink little cups of coffee, but why this is more stylish than sitting inside and drinking large glasses of whiskey I don't know."
"You know, the French remind me a little bit of an aging actress of the 1940s who was still trying to dine out on her looks but doesn't have the face for it."
--John McCain, U.S. Senator from Arizona
"You know why the French don't want to bomb Saddam Hussein? Because he hates America, he loves mistresses and wears a beret."
"I don't know why people are surprised that France won't help us get Saddam out of Iraq. After all, France wouldn't help us get the Germans out of France!"
"The last time the French asked for 'more proof' it came marching into Paris under a German flag."
How many Frenchmen does it take to change a light bulb?
One. He holds the bulb and all of Europe revolves around him.
Next time there's a war in Europe, the loser has to keep France.
Submitted by: Robert J. Carr
Just to let you know that after reading this section of you Web Site, I am again "upset". Ms. PARRISH does N O T speak for the Canadian people.
I know because I am one of the thousands of Canadians that enlisted in the Armed Forces of the United Sates during the Vietnam Conflict.
I think of the people "over there" everyday, regardless of the branch of service.
If you want a "true Canadian perspective" on these comments, I would suggest that you contact a Mister Roy GREEN, 900CHML (search entry on the Eye-Net) (radio station) who is another, very public and outspoken (Canadian) person relating to these comments and the inaction of the Federal Government of Canada.
Semper Fi Brother and may God Bless America......
The American Battle Monuments Commission maintains the following in France:
American Expeditionary Force
Pointe Du Hoc
"All we've ever asked is room to bury our dead"
Submitted by: R Priest
France spelled backward is Ecnarf; and, do you know what that "Stands